I thought it was crazy how he used persuasion on the reader and then pointed it out. You couldn't even tell you were being persuaded. It was also crazy how many everdya things persuade you. This is going to be an interesting book.
yes and its crazy to realize that people around you can do it without you knowing and they may not now, except for this guy because he does it for a living.
True, often times we dont know we are being persuaded..but more often we don't realize we are persuading or manipulating. I'm having a hard time determining the difference between the two. I guess I shall see as I read more!!
True, often times we dont know we are being persuaded..but more often we don't realize we are persuading or manipulating. I'm having a hard time determining the difference between the two. I guess I shall see as I read more!!
It's pretty eye opening to just suddenly realize that rhetoric has been in your entire life without you even knowing what it is, and then when you learn about it, all you can think of when you see or hear anything is how rhetoric it is.
In the first story of the chapter the author used reverse psychology to get his son to do what he wants, is reverse psychology the same as rhetorical? Or is this manipulation?
I feel like reverse psychology is used to manipulate someone so it could be manipulation, but I also think rhetoric is more the act of the "argument" they had than the author's use of reverse psychology.
I honesty didn't think that I would get into this book at all because I don't get into many book, but I am really liking this book a lot! I really hope that this book does help my arguing skills because mine really suck. I enjoyed the first chapter on the basics of arguing and can't wait to see what happens through out the book.
I didn't think this book would be as interesting as it is either, and I like to read. I also think we're all going to get better at arguing, or we're all going to think we're better at arguing.
I didn't think this book would be as interesting as it is either, and I like to read. I also think we're all going to get better at arguing, or we're all going to think we're better at arguing.
I'm excited to see how this ties into our AP language class when we get back in September! Maybe we will all be arguing masters?? Good or bad thing..hmm :)
I'm excited to see how this ties into our AP language class when we get back in September! Maybe we will all be arguing masters?? Good or bad thing..hmm :)
I agree, I did not believe that I would have any interest in this book at first, but I think it will grow on me due to the many interesting topis this book has to teach.
I honestly didn't really know what this book was going to be about, but reading the first chapter has given me a good idea, and I am excited to see what I learn.
I've never really been the best at English, but this book makes interested to possibly get better, and actually do good in English class. I also kind of want to get hooked on reading because "its good for you".
At first when I read the title, observed the picture, and saw that Homer Simpson was apart of the book I was very confused! As I read the chapter I was amazed at how much we actually use rhetoric language in our every day life. The stories behind this chapter were...quiet interesting, looking forward to what the rest of this book has to offer!
At first when I read the title, observed the picture, and saw that Homer Simpson was apart of the book I was very confused! As I read the chapter I was amazed at how much we actually use rhetoric language in our every day life. The stories behind this chapter were...quiet interesting, looking forward to what the rest of this book has to offer!
This man relates everything to arguing and he uses such a stretch to make it applicable and I think that is the most insufferable quality in him. What I get from this first chapter is he can apply everything to the ancient Romans and you can say anything and he can apply it to the art of rhetoric. I feel bad for George.
But I am interested to see how much he stretches something that is mostly developed in adolescence to see if he can give people false hope to think they are really great at out-witting people. Not to be a pessimist but I think this book will be filled with a lot of things that people will force into their psyche.
I also feel bad for George, we know all of his father's tricks while he is left in the dark continuously being manipulated by his father who relates everything to arguing in some shape or form. Poor George.
I have done this several times now. I am one more comment away from throwing my laptop at my wall. I started at 8 when there was daylight, it's now nine and working on dark, definitely a Monday. In my last SIX (attempted) posts I said this;
The first chapter, Open Your Eyes is titled perfectly, it really does open your eyes to the manipulation and persuasion that is used against you every single day. Like George I find my Dad to be a manipulator I think it's because manipulation takes having a certain amount of control over the person you're arguing with. Not just anyone can use manipulation to there advantage but now that I know the tricks to the trade I plan on giving it a shot. Did anyone else find it interesting that when the writer tried to get away from the persuasion he couldn't do it?
The first chapter makes a lot of sense, and makes a lot of good points that end up mashing together and making you think that you should actually learn rhetoric and pay attention to what your reading. So basically, this chapter is using rhetoric to persuade you to learn rhetoric. Lets hope the rest of this book is interesting, because so far the first chapter is pretty interesting.
This seems to be a very interesting topic to write a book on. It's how to get your way, while also making the other person feel like they are winning. Solid.
I think its fascinating how frequently persuasion and manipulation are used against us in everyday life; and how most of us are totally unaware of it. I think this chapter helped to open our eyes to the common uses of these two rhetorical devices.
I thought it was crazy how he used persuasion on the reader and then pointed it out. You couldn't even tell you were being persuaded. It was also crazy how many everdya things persuade you. This is going to be an interesting book.
ReplyDeleteThis is going to be a good book!! It is crazy how many rhetorical things are in our lives!!
Deleteyes and its crazy to realize that people around you can do it without you knowing and they may not now, except for this guy because he does it for a living.
DeleteI thought it was really interesting to see just how big of a part rhetoric takes in our lives.
DeleteTrue, often times we dont know we are being persuaded..but more often we don't realize we are persuading or manipulating. I'm having a hard time determining the difference between the two. I guess I shall see as I read more!!
DeleteTrue, often times we dont know we are being persuaded..but more often we don't realize we are persuading or manipulating. I'm having a hard time determining the difference between the two. I guess I shall see as I read more!!
DeleteIt's pretty eye opening to just suddenly realize that rhetoric has been in your entire life without you even knowing what it is, and then when you learn about it, all you can think of when you see or hear anything is how rhetoric it is.
DeleteIn the first story of the chapter the author used reverse psychology to get his son to do what he wants, is reverse psychology the same as rhetorical? Or is this manipulation?
ReplyDeleteI feel like reverse psychology is used to manipulate someone so it could be manipulation, but I also think rhetoric is more the act of the "argument" they had than the author's use of reverse psychology.
DeleteI think that it is also used to manipulate someone but that rhetorical is the "argument" setting.
DeleteReverse psychology is passively putting the idea in their head. Being rhetoric is direct.
DeleteI feel like the instance where he convinces his son to get the toothpaste could be reverse psychology
DeleteI honesty didn't think that I would get into this book at all because I don't get into many book, but I am really liking this book a lot! I really hope that this book does help my arguing skills because mine really suck. I enjoyed the first chapter on the basics of arguing and can't wait to see what happens through out the book.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think this book would be as interesting as it is either, and I like to read. I also think we're all going to get better at arguing, or we're all going to think we're better at arguing.
DeleteI didn't think this book would be as interesting as it is either, and I like to read. I also think we're all going to get better at arguing, or we're all going to think we're better at arguing.
DeleteI'm excited to see how good we are all going to be at arguing by the end of the summer :)
DeleteI'm excited to see how this ties into our AP language class when we get back in September! Maybe we will all be arguing masters?? Good or bad thing..hmm :)
DeleteI'm excited to see how this ties into our AP language class when we get back in September! Maybe we will all be arguing masters?? Good or bad thing..hmm :)
DeleteI agree, I did not believe that I would have any interest in this book at first, but I think it will grow on me due to the many interesting topis this book has to teach.
DeleteI honestly didn't really know what this book was going to be about, but reading the first chapter has given me a good idea, and I am excited to see what I learn.
ReplyDeleteYes!!!:) this book I going to be interesting I love this kind of stuff!
DeleteI've never really been the best at English, but this book makes interested to possibly get better, and actually do good in English class. I also kind of want to get hooked on reading because "its good for you".
DeleteI think this book will be very good at opening out minds to many knowlegable things and i am excited to see what i will learn from here on out. :)
DeleteAt first when I read the title, observed the picture, and saw that Homer Simpson was apart of the book I was very confused! As I read the chapter I was amazed at how much we actually use rhetoric language in our every day life. The stories behind this chapter were...quiet interesting, looking forward to what the rest of this book has to offer!
ReplyDeleteI found these first stories to be very interesting as well. It was easy to relate them back to my own life. I was also as amazed as you were.
DeleteAt first when I read the title, observed the picture, and saw that Homer Simpson was apart of the book I was very confused! As I read the chapter I was amazed at how much we actually use rhetoric language in our every day life. The stories behind this chapter were...quiet interesting, looking forward to what the rest of this book has to offer!
ReplyDeleteThis man relates everything to arguing and he uses such a stretch to make it applicable and I think that is the most insufferable quality in him. What I get from this first chapter is he can apply everything to the ancient Romans and you can say anything and he can apply it to the art of rhetoric. I feel bad for George.
ReplyDeleteBut I am interested to see how much he stretches something that is mostly developed in adolescence to see if he can give people false hope to think they are really great at out-witting people. Not to be a pessimist but I think this book will be filled with a lot of things that people will force into their psyche.
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DeleteI also feel bad for George, we know all of his father's tricks while he is left in the dark continuously being manipulated by his father who relates everything to arguing in some shape or form. Poor George.
DeleteI have done this several times now. I am one more comment away from throwing my laptop at my wall. I started at 8 when there was daylight, it's now nine and working on dark, definitely a Monday. In my last SIX (attempted) posts I said this;
ReplyDeleteThe first chapter, Open Your Eyes is titled perfectly, it really does open your eyes to the manipulation and persuasion that is used against you every single day. Like George I find my Dad to be a manipulator I think it's because manipulation takes having a certain amount of control over the person you're arguing with. Not just anyone can use manipulation to there advantage but now that I know the tricks to the trade I plan on giving it a shot. Did anyone else find it interesting that when the writer tried to get away from the persuasion he couldn't do it?
OH MY GOODNESS IT FINALLY WORKED.. :O
DeleteThe first chapter makes a lot of sense, and makes a lot of good points that end up mashing together and making you think that you should actually learn rhetoric and pay attention to what your reading. So basically, this chapter is using rhetoric to persuade you to learn rhetoric. Lets hope the rest of this book is interesting, because so far the first chapter is pretty interesting.
ReplyDeleteIm glad at the beginning of the book one of the things you can use in an arguement is manipulation, that's just grand.
ReplyDeleteI know right? It sound spretty cool
DeleteThis seems to be a very interesting topic to write a book on. It's how to get your way, while also making the other person feel like they are winning. Solid.
ReplyDeleteI think its fascinating how frequently persuasion and manipulation are used against us in everyday life; and how most of us are totally unaware of it. I think this chapter helped to open our eyes to the common uses of these two rhetorical devices.
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