Who knew there was so much thinking that you have to put into an argument lol. Now you have to control the tenses you speak in in order to get the answer you want. This book is gonna make me a professional arguer!
I agree that there is a lot of thinking going into an argument. It is crazy how one person can control the argument by the tenses. Wouldn't that be like controlling the other person as well?
I feel like when your actually arguing it would be super hard to think about the tense you're arguing in. I think you would just go by instinct and forget about the rules.
If somebody really did spend their entire life dedicated to rhetoric, they would probably always get what they want in an argument. There is a lot more going on in arguments and even speech for that matter than I originally thought.
Wow it almost seems like you put to much thinking into an argument than what it actually is worth. I wouldn't like to put that much effort in winning an argument, because arguments are usually about stupid things.
Arguements do seem to much these days. Before I just though you win some you lose some, but now I know that all depends on the previous steps and the tenses you use. Its alot to think about.
I never thought about the different tenses used in arguments, but it definitely makes sense. I also like that he used Annie (which is one of my favorite musicals) as an example, even though he was making fun of it. It's interesting to think that there are no facts when dealing with the future, only choices.
It's crazy how I've never thought about the tense I'm using in an argument, but the tense makes such a difference. I can't believe that you should pick your tense based on what you are arguing about. Also, I can't believe he did that while arguing about what to name their son; that doesn't seem fair.
Right, I didn't think that was fair "arguing" to name their son what they did; and how he convinced his wife. I mean she was through a lot and she doesn't even have much of a say?!!?!?!?!?!?
It makes sense that choosing a certain tense can help you win arguements. In an arguement the tenses can either stop or prolong the arguement. It makes sense that the future tense ca help stop an arguement and how the past tense can help continue and arguement; no one liek the past being brought up or being blamed. I think i'm going to be thinking alot about this in my furture arguements.
Yeah I'm finally commenting! I agree with whole tenses thing but can't blaming also influence future actions? Like people make judgements about who you are or what you are going to do because of past things. But anyways, who doesn't play free bird loudly?
Blaming probably can influence future actions, but what the author is trying to get you to realize is that it works better when you use the future tense to influence future actions, because it can prevent fighting and usually seems to get straight to the point.
Is it just me or do you think that when you start an argument or a disagreement, are you going to think about it harder? I never knew that the tense could possibly sway or even stop an argument. I love how at the end they say what we should get out of the chapter. So far it has been pretty evident what we should be, but it is nice reassurance.
The author talks a lot about the future tense and how it is the best way to "win" an argument. The present tense is focused on morality when it comes to arguing and the past tense is used to threaten punishment, as said in the book. The author also seems to like bringing up Homer Simpson in this chapter too.
I agree with this and I will add more. I think the author will tie in this whole Homer Simpson thing because I think there is some sort of symbolism with him.
I like how the author puts Blame/Value/Choice into perspective and he uses his skill of rhetoric to back his information with evidence like using real life examples. He puts this concept into many scenarios and describes step by step each scenario. Fun.
There's so much skill and technique behind persuasion and arguments. It baffles me how much there is to it! I find it crazy to think that with manipulation and certain ways of speaking like (present/past tense) can get you everything you want. Kind of dangerous if this kind of knowledge finds its way to the wrong person.. yikes.
I like how this book is giving me step-by-step rules ad tips on how to become a better arguer. this chapter showed me how there is alot of work into winning an arguement, im just wondering how much will actually stick in my head.
Who knew there was so much thinking that you have to put into an argument lol. Now you have to control the tenses you speak in in order to get the answer you want. This book is gonna make me a professional arguer!
ReplyDeleteI agree that there is a lot of thinking going into an argument. It is crazy how one person can control the argument by the tenses. Wouldn't that be like controlling the other person as well?
DeleteI wonder how many people actually think about these goals and steps and tenses and everything whilst arguing.
DeleteI feel like when your actually arguing it would be super hard to think about the tense you're arguing in. I think you would just go by instinct and forget about the rules.
DeleteNow that I'm reading this and I took ms haugos psychology portion of her class all I can think about how many times I've done the whole tenses things.
DeleteIf somebody really did spend their entire life dedicated to rhetoric, they would probably always get what they want in an argument. There is a lot more going on in arguments and even speech for that matter than I originally thought.
DeleteI fele like the tenses are more of an instinctual thing
DeleteWow it almost seems like you put to much thinking into an argument than what it actually is worth. I wouldn't like to put that much effort in winning an argument, because arguments are usually about stupid things.
ReplyDeleteHahah right?? Seems really hard to win an argument this way
DeleteI agree. It seems like a lot of work. Although, maybe doing it the way he explains get a better outcome?
DeleteArguments are almost always not worth it. Now we are going to be awesome at arguing...depending on how much thinking we want to do!
DeleteI agree it makes it seem like alot of work to win the argument!
DeleteArguements do seem to much these days. Before I just though you win some you lose some, but now I know that all depends on the previous steps and the tenses you use. Its alot to think about.
DeleteI never thought about the different tenses used in arguments, but it definitely makes sense. I also like that he used Annie (which is one of my favorite musicals) as an example, even though he was making fun of it. It's interesting to think that there are no facts when dealing with the future, only choices.
ReplyDeleteYeah it is interesting i never thought of it like that but it does make sense that the future holds choices not facts.
DeleteYeah I feel like the sun coming up tomorrow is a fact, but from what he said it isn't. That's crazy.
DeleteYeah I feel like the sun coming up tomorrow is a fact, but from what he said it isn't. That's crazy.
DeleteI wanna see this guy in an argument with someone arguing about the sun coming up..I don't know if I like this guy..
DeleteI loved the Annie example too! Also, I see what Homer Simpson has to do with it now!!
DeleteIt's crazy how I've never thought about the tense I'm using in an argument, but the tense makes such a difference. I can't believe that you should pick your tense based on what you are arguing about. Also, I can't believe he did that while arguing about what to name their son; that doesn't seem fair.
ReplyDeleteRight, I didn't think that was fair "arguing" to name their son what they did; and how he convinced his wife. I mean she was through a lot and she doesn't even have much of a say?!!?!?!?!?!?
DeleteIt makes sense that choosing a certain tense can help you win arguements. In an arguement the tenses can either stop or prolong the arguement. It makes sense that the future tense ca help stop an arguement and how the past tense can help continue and arguement; no one liek the past being brought up or being blamed. I think i'm going to be thinking alot about this in my furture arguements.
DeleteYeah I'm finally commenting! I agree with whole tenses thing but can't blaming also influence future actions? Like people make judgements about who you are or what you are going to do because of past things. But anyways, who doesn't play free bird loudly?
ReplyDeleteBlaming probably can influence future actions, but what the author is trying to get you to realize is that it works better when you use the future tense to influence future actions, because it can prevent fighting and usually seems to get straight to the point.
DeleteI agree with Cody on this one- future tense really opens everything up and helps prevent future altercations
DeleteIs it just me or do you think that when you start an argument or a disagreement, are you going to think about it harder? I never knew that the tense could possibly sway or even stop an argument. I love how at the end they say what we should get out of the chapter. So far it has been pretty evident what we should be, but it is nice reassurance.
ReplyDeleteThe author talks a lot about the future tense and how it is the best way to "win" an argument. The present tense is focused on morality when it comes to arguing and the past tense is used to threaten punishment, as said in the book. The author also seems to like bringing up Homer Simpson in this chapter too.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this and I will add more. I think the author will tie in this whole Homer Simpson thing because I think there is some sort of symbolism with him.
DeleteI want to know why he keeps relating back to Homer Simpson and wondering if there is an underlying message here..
DeleteI like how the author puts Blame/Value/Choice into perspective and he uses his skill of rhetoric to back his information with evidence like using real life examples. He puts this concept into many scenarios and describes step by step each scenario. Fun.
ReplyDeleteThere's so much skill and technique behind persuasion and arguments. It baffles me how much there is to it! I find it crazy to think that with manipulation and certain ways of speaking like (present/past tense) can get you everything you want. Kind of dangerous if this kind of knowledge finds its way to the wrong person.. yikes.
ReplyDeleteInteresting how he proposes the different tenses in an argument, and which ones appeal to people differently; blame vs. values, etc etc
ReplyDeleteI like how this book is giving me step-by-step rules ad tips on how to become a better arguer. this chapter showed me how there is alot of work into winning an arguement, im just wondering how much will actually stick in my head.
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