I know alot of persuaders in the argument field! Including me! It makes sense to check the extremes..because you never know how touchy of a subject it might be to the other person!
I think any subject can become touchy for a person if the persuader says the wrong thing. I also agree though that that is kind of what he means by virtue.
This chapter was interesting because it talks about a salesman and how his interests are not the same as your interests and his virtue is not the same either, I understood the beginning talking about interest, but the end when they talked about virtue was a bit more confusing anyone have ideas?
I think by virtue they just mean what is important to someone. You need to figure out what's important to the person you're trying to persuade; that way you can appear to have the same virtues as them.
I agree it was a bit confusing! I think it is talking about thinking of the virtue of the other person.. if they are more negative or aggressive towards the subject.. you can kind of feed off of how they feel about it. I don't get the "mean" part??
I felt like this chapter was just about the pool table story, and how to tell if a salesman is conning you. I felt like the only thing I learned from this chapter is that if someone calls you an extremist they probably are one.
I feel like it was not just about the sales pitch, but about how nayone can kinda manioulate you ikf they make it seem like they have your best interest in mind
I really hate sales pitch people but in a way persuasion is good. I know I try to talk and use examples of things to persuade the people im talking to. Its a good tool to have in life Id think as long as you know what you are talking about.
Salespeople are relentless and I fear them to this day. I play pool so I had a heart to heart with this chapter. I liked the conservative/liberal back and forth too.
There is this Amish guy named Philip and every other day he comes to our house to try and sell us stuff and we almost always get something from him. Its really annoying though
Ethos is just all over the place. I feel like ethos is a lot more complicated than logos or pathos, I guess it is true that ethos is the most important of the three, like Aristotle said.
I liked the way he explained ethos with advertising. I use ethos to persuade people at work and never really realized it. I've been told I'd make a great sales person maybe it's because I was already using these techniques. But now I will be able to spot where the conversation disconnects and maybe not fall for the same trick as his mom.
Even though I didn't really need to read almost an entire chapter about his mom buying a pool table, I thought it was interesting that the salesman was able to get her to buy something she knew her husband probably wouldn't like, just by making a connection with her.
I personally liked the fact that he actually stuck with one main example instead of just quickly bouncing around. I also enjoyed the fact that he spoke about "lying in the mean, " or the place between two extremes.
I felt this chapter taught me how to tell if a sales person is conning me, which is always helpful. I liked how this chapter was easy to understand and how it told me to be aware of a saleperson trying to con me. I also think it is interesting that in several of these chapters he uses examples of his own life situations.
This chapter I felt had a lot of very good and useful examples. I really enjoyed this chapter!!
ReplyDeleteI agree! These are the kind of examples that I find useful and understandable!
DeleteI enjoyed it too, I thought the sales pitch was completely true, not only with a sales person but in arguing with a person.
DeleteI like it when he uses more real life examples more than just fictional stories. It helps point out where to apply it to life.
DeleteA lot of the examples used in this book are pretty good in my opinion
DeleteI agree with Keegan I liked that I can watch for this in my own life.
DeleteI know alot of persuaders in the argument field! Including me! It makes sense to check the extremes..because you never know how touchy of a subject it might be to the other person!
ReplyDeletemaybe you would make a good salesman! and that's a good take on the virtue part, it would make sense if that was what was meant by it.
DeleteI think any subject can become touchy for a person if the persuader says the wrong thing. I also agree though that that is kind of what he means by virtue.
DeleteAgreed! You have no idea how touchy it can be to someone, you could even loose your friendship with someone!
DeleteI agree!!! You should know the extremes because you dont want to risk something by bringing up a touchy subject.
DeleteThis chapter was interesting because it talks about a salesman and how his interests are not the same as your interests and his virtue is not the same either, I understood the beginning talking about interest, but the end when they talked about virtue was a bit more confusing anyone have ideas?
ReplyDeleteI think by virtue they just mean what is important to someone. You need to figure out what's important to the person you're trying to persuade; that way you can appear to have the same virtues as them.
DeleteI think its kindda like what you both have in common and use that to persuade them.
DeleteI agree it was a bit confusing! I think it is talking about thinking of the virtue of the other person.. if they are more negative or aggressive towards the subject.. you can kind of feed off of how they feel about it. I don't get the "mean" part??
DeleteI agree with your comments, Reva and Kate, that is pretty much what i thought virtue meant.
DeleteI felt like this chapter was just about the pool table story, and how to tell if a salesman is conning you. I felt like the only thing I learned from this chapter is that if someone calls you an extremist they probably are one.
ReplyDeleteI agree but I got something out of it at the same time because I can watch out for the same sales pitch.
DeleteI agree but I got something out of it at the same time because I can watch out for the same sales pitch.
DeleteI feel like it was not just about the sales pitch, but about how nayone can kinda manioulate you ikf they make it seem like they have your best interest in mind
DeleteI really hate sales pitch people but in a way persuasion is good. I know I try to talk and use examples of things to persuade the people im talking to. Its a good tool to have in life Id think as long as you know what you are talking about.
ReplyDeleteAll salesmen could die tomorrow and I would feel nothing. They ruin me.
DeleteSalespeople are relentless and I fear them to this day. I play pool so I had a heart to heart with this chapter. I liked the conservative/liberal back and forth too.
ReplyDeleteThere is this Amish guy named Philip and every other day he comes to our house to try and sell us stuff and we almost always get something from him. Its really annoying though
DeleteSo, he must be a pretty good salesman if you buy something every time.
DeleteI would hate to be a salesperson, imagine all the people who hate you.
DeleteEthos is just all over the place. I feel like ethos is a lot more complicated than logos or pathos, I guess it is true that ethos is the most important of the three, like Aristotle said.
ReplyDeleteI liked the way he explained ethos with advertising. I use ethos to persuade people at work and never really realized it. I've been told I'd make a great sales person maybe it's because I was already using these techniques. But now I will be able to spot where the conversation disconnects and maybe not fall for the same trick as his mom.
ReplyDeleteI think it will help, too, with picking out good/bad salespeople.
DeleteEven though I didn't really need to read almost an entire chapter about his mom buying a pool table, I thought it was interesting that the salesman was able to get her to buy something she knew her husband probably wouldn't like, just by making a connection with her.
ReplyDeleteThat was very interesting,, and I enjoyed the fact that he kinda stuck with the same main story instad of hopping around
DeleteThat's how them damn salespeople do it, manipulation.
DeleteI personally liked the fact that he actually stuck with one main example instead of just quickly bouncing around. I also enjoyed the fact that he spoke about "lying in the mean, " or the place between two extremes.
ReplyDeleteI felt this chapter taught me how to tell if a sales person is conning me, which is always helpful. I liked how this chapter was easy to understand and how it told me to be aware of a saleperson trying to con me. I also think it is interesting that in several of these chapters he uses examples of his own life situations.
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