I thought that the first dialogue was a good example of how not to persuade someone, while trying to persuade someone it should probably pertain to them and not you. Also , i think cliches are a good tool in persuasion.
I disagree with the idea that clichés are a good tool in persuasion, mostly because of my experience with them. When I hear or see a cliché, i'm just like, wow. Never heard that one before. It's like an overused joke. It was funny before, but after hearing it for 40th time its not so funny. Maybe I'm just weird, but clichés tend to deter me away from somebody trying to make me believe something.
There was a lot of talk about commonplaces and I think I understood the main idea but i'm still not completely 100% though on what this means. I like the fact that you can use commonplace label and of course your advantages. I also find it interesting that you can use rejection to your argument.
I think as we keep reading the common place will become more clear. It basically just means though argue with cliches and the other person is bound to agree with you.
A commonplace can be a cliché, but not all of the time, like he said. My guess is it is a widely excepted belief, or an ordinary subject, to put it shortly.
I liked the commonplace label tool. It kind of sounds like peer pressure, like when you do something with your friends that you don't want to do, but you don't want to seem lame.
This chapter seemed to say use an argument anyone is sure to agree with. Common place is pretty much argue with a cliche because everyone already thinks they're true.
WOW! Thanks Revalu! Now that I have read your comment, I am instantly better at understanding what a commonplace is! You really know how to help a fellow human being out! but seriously that did help a bit.
I liked the way the author showed the argument in a way where it was the "common place", it does make sense! But..what if you can't find that " common place"? Some of the tools were confusing to me, but I'm sure I have the main point!
I feel like the common place is kind of interwoven in an argument and you don't even realize it. It may just be an implication, Not something you look for. I could be wrong but hey, whatever m8.
He said you should start with a commonplace, so I think if you can't find one, you might not have anything to argue about, or you might argue for a long time because there is nothing to agree on.
Common place is nice, but there are also those people who never want to get there and they just like arguing so they are going to ignore everything you say and find a way to twist it. But for once he said something right when he was talking about the argument being about not just you.
So... most, if not all arguments are based around commonplaces? Because when I think about it, there are a lot of commonplaces. Now that he told us about commonplaces, I kind of feel like you can relate anything to a commonplace. That only makes sense, because there can be an infinite amount of commonplaces, just some more important than the other.
I think a commonplace has different levels of importance depending on the topic in rhetoric. Sometimes it's super important and sometimes it's not as important.
This was an informative chapter. He discussed the importance of pleasing an audience. He makes a good point saying that the audience chooses who wins. Not you. I think the commonplace is the core of rhetoric.Shifting people's points of view.
I think people really need to understand that it is the audience that chooses, I look at all these people arguing and saying dumb things because they do not understand that concept.
Still kind of shaky on this whole common place thing.. what if the speaker and audience can't find this common place- I mean yes it would be convenient to be able to come to that but some people are just too stubborn!!
Reading about commonplaces was interesting. I liked when he used the example of seeing your friend to describe how a commonplace can work. It's good to know that finding a commonplace to begin with can help you during your argument.
I enjoyed when he spoke about 9/11 and how the language pf the political polls changed over the years.. FI belive commonplace is kinda set in place already in a lot of instances
Commonplaces were a main subject in this chapter; I realized that commonplaces can be used to your advantage. I dont think i got it 100% down yet but i got the jist of it. I aloso realized one of the examples, Annie seemed to used persuasion to get Kathy to completely change her mind, so that she gets what she wants. I think that kind of mean but i guess also neat.
I thought that the first dialogue was a good example of how not to persuade someone, while trying to persuade someone it should probably pertain to them and not you. Also , i think cliches are a good tool in persuasion.
ReplyDeleteYes, I totally agree that cliches are a very good tool in persuasion.
DeleteI think cliches are a great tool because no one is going to disagree with a cliche.
DeleteI disagree with the idea that clichés are a good tool in persuasion, mostly because of my experience with them. When I hear or see a cliché, i'm just like, wow. Never heard that one before. It's like an overused joke. It was funny before, but after hearing it for 40th time its not so funny. Maybe I'm just weird, but clichés tend to deter me away from somebody trying to make me believe something.
DeleteI agree with your thoughts on cliches I would be one to be persuaded by a cliche.
DeleteWell Abbi you are a cliché so.... :) I understand what he is saying about clichés, but I don't really love clichés too much in all honesty
DeleteThere was a lot of talk about commonplaces and I think I understood the main idea but i'm still not completely 100% though on what this means. I like the fact that you can use commonplace label and of course your advantages. I also find it interesting that you can use rejection to your argument.
ReplyDeleteI think as we keep reading the common place will become more clear. It basically just means though argue with cliches and the other person is bound to agree with you.
DeleteYeahh i feel like common place is just reaching an agreement.
DeleteFind the balance between your argument and you will reach the common place. It seems kind of hard!
DeleteA commonplace can be a cliché, but not all of the time, like he said. My guess is it is a widely excepted belief, or an ordinary subject, to put it shortly.
DeleteI liked the commonplace label tool. It kind of sounds like peer pressure, like when you do something with your friends that you don't want to do, but you don't want to seem lame.
DeleteThis chapter seemed to say use an argument anyone is sure to agree with. Common place is pretty much argue with a cliche because everyone already thinks they're true.
ReplyDeleteThat makes total sense!! Lol
DeleteThat make a lot more sense, thanks Reva!!
DeleteWow that does clear it up!
DeleteWOW! Thanks Revalu! Now that I have read your comment, I am instantly better at understanding what a commonplace is! You really know how to help a fellow human being out! but seriously that did help a bit.
DeleteI am mind blown lol, I was really awful with common place before reading this now I understand how to apply it. Thankyouuuu Reva!
DeleteI agree with your statement Reva, it helped me understand commonplace so much better.
DeleteI liked the way the author showed the argument in a way where it was the "common place", it does make sense! But..what if you can't find that " common place"? Some of the tools were confusing to me, but I'm sure I have the main point!
ReplyDeleteI feel like the common place is kind of interwoven in an argument and you don't even realize it. It may just be an implication, Not something you look for. I could be wrong but hey, whatever m8.
DeleteHe said you should start with a commonplace, so I think if you can't find one, you might not have anything to argue about, or you might argue for a long time because there is nothing to agree on.
DeleteI think its about when people don't agree with you , you find somewhere you can start with // A good platform, if you say/
DeleteYeah this is a question I also kept thinking to myself. It doesnt seem that it will always be that easy to find a commonplace.
DeleteCommon place is nice, but there are also those people who never want to get there and they just like arguing so they are going to ignore everything you say and find a way to twist it. But for once he said something right when he was talking about the argument being about not just you.
ReplyDeleteSo... most, if not all arguments are based around commonplaces? Because when I think about it, there are a lot of commonplaces. Now that he told us about commonplaces, I kind of feel like you can relate anything to a commonplace. That only makes sense, because there can be an infinite amount of commonplaces, just some more important than the other.
ReplyDeleteI think a commonplace has different levels of importance depending on the topic in rhetoric. Sometimes it's super important and sometimes it's not as important.
DeleteThis was an informative chapter. He discussed the importance of pleasing an audience. He makes a good point saying that the audience chooses who wins. Not you. I think the commonplace is the core of rhetoric.Shifting people's points of view.
ReplyDeleteI think people really need to understand that it is the audience that chooses, I look at all these people arguing and saying dumb things because they do not understand that concept.
DeleteStill kind of shaky on this whole common place thing.. what if the speaker and audience can't find this common place- I mean yes it would be convenient to be able to come to that but some people are just too stubborn!!
ReplyDeleteThen maybe you shouldn't be speaking there lol
DeleteReading about commonplaces was interesting. I liked when he used the example of seeing your friend to describe how a commonplace can work. It's good to know that finding a commonplace to begin with can help you during your argument.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed when he spoke about 9/11 and how the language pf the political polls changed over the years.. FI belive commonplace is kinda set in place already in a lot of instances
ReplyDeleteCommonplaces were a main subject in this chapter; I realized that commonplaces can be used to your advantage. I dont think i got it 100% down yet but i got the jist of it. I aloso realized one of the examples, Annie seemed to used persuasion to get Kathy to completely change her mind, so that she gets what she wants. I think that kind of mean but i guess also neat.
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