This chapter talked alot about dubitatio and how Abraham Lincoln used his rhetorical skills to trick the US into voting for him which is funny because they call him honest abe lol
I also think its funny how some people have to try so hard to be something there not just to impress or trick; but then its like your audience wants and honest person. So either way it seems as if youre doing something wrong and that there is a possibilty of failing.Its just confussing!
I don't know if it is lying so much as it is appealing to others. If one weren't to sacrifice their own thoughts or opinions to appeal to someone, a lot of people would not get along.
Isn't that what rhetoric is all about in a way? You seem to fake a lot of things when it comes to making an argument, like trying to relate to someone you don't actually relate to.
There are a lot of things to think about while arguing. It seems crazy that anyone can remember all of them. I mean now you're supposed to be disinterested in your argument!
This is so stupid, so I'm supposed to help everyone and expect them to help me? Oh okaayyyy.. But seriously the whole lying thing too and use it as a "shameless trick" Hitler made concentration camps look fun and made people believe in a lie but that whole thing was very shameful..
I feel like this mainly applies to winning against someone when it is in the hands of a group of people, that's why they mainly used presidents as examples. I think in a one on one argument you would show your true interest. But as the saying goes "...what ever is in their best interest", they want to win over people not just one person by appealing a large group of people.
I'm sure a lot of people use this tactic today, but the way you put it makes it seem like a bad thing. I'm sure it can be used for the greater good, in some way.
I feel like this chapter was based upon winning over a large group of people. If one were to just solely put their ideas or opinions out there and expect everyone to like them, it would be impossible. If they were to sacrifice some of their ideas and maybe shape them in a way to appeal to both them and their audience, EVERYONE is happy!
I thought the part where he talked about how Abraham Lincoln became president was very interesting. The idea that the main reason that Lincoln even ever became president was because his use of dubitatio is quite astounding, and when I think about why that worked, it just seems to make sense.
I found the same line amusing it's like that shy girl who looks like she wouldn't hurt a fly but is the most devious person at all. That's why they say look out for the quiet ones..
I catch myself using these tactics already.. like the son wanting to borrow the Dad's car.. I personally liked the best trick of all which is to make it seem like you have no tricks. Oh dubious Abe, you had them all fooled.
This chapter was mainly about making your audience believe in your selflessness as it said, but I think that is stupid to work so hard to prove that your full of virtue, street/book smart, and selflessness to your audience. You might just lose sight of who you really are becuase youre trying so hard to be something that your not.
This chapter talked alot about dubitatio and how Abraham Lincoln used his rhetorical skills to trick the US into voting for him which is funny because they call him honest abe lol
ReplyDeleteYa that is funny! I agree to your statement.
DeleteNo one even knew honest abe was pretty much lying to them.
DeleteThis is perfect. ;D
DeleteI also think its funny how some people have to try so hard to be something there not just to impress or trick; but then its like your audience wants and honest person. So either way it seems as if youre doing something wrong and that there is a possibilty of failing.Its just confussing!
DeleteThis chapter seems like you fake your feeling to get what you want, but wouldn't that be a firm of lying?
ReplyDeleteI think you're supposed to think of it more as manipulation, but I'd say they're very similar.
Deleteits weird because people lose themselves when trying to be something they're not.
DeleteI don't know if it is lying so much as it is appealing to others. If one weren't to sacrifice their own thoughts or opinions to appeal to someone, a lot of people would not get along.
DeleteIsn't that what rhetoric is all about in a way? You seem to fake a lot of things when it comes to making an argument, like trying to relate to someone you don't actually relate to.
DeleteI think in some ways it can be seen as lying, but that may be the only way you can get what you want.
DeleteThere are a lot of things to think about while arguing. It seems crazy that anyone can remember all of them. I mean now you're supposed to be disinterested in your argument!
ReplyDeleteThis book makes me very mad... This chapter consisted of all the horrible things you can do.
DeleteLol yess!! I feel like all of these things clash and idk how to do all of them haha
DeleteAnd this may just be me, but when I'm arguing with someone, I don't always have time to think about different tactics.
DeleteI think its just for more if you are determined to make someone else feel the same way
DeleteI also agree that there is so many rules and tips, that make it seem nearly impossible to remember them or use them all while in an arguement.
DeleteThis is so stupid, so I'm supposed to help everyone and expect them to help me? Oh okaayyyy.. But seriously the whole lying thing too and use it as a "shameless trick" Hitler made concentration camps look fun and made people believe in a lie but that whole thing was very shameful..
ReplyDeleteI agree on your point of view. I never thought to look at this that way!!
DeleteI feel like this mainly applies to winning against someone when it is in the hands of a group of people, that's why they mainly used presidents as examples. I think in a one on one argument you would show your true interest. But as the saying goes "...what ever is in their best interest", they want to win over people not just one person by appealing a large group of people.
DeleteI'm sure a lot of people use this tactic today, but the way you put it makes it seem like a bad thing. I'm sure it can be used for the greater good, in some way.
DeleteI feel like this chapter was based upon winning over a large group of people. If one were to just solely put their ideas or opinions out there and expect everyone to like them, it would be impossible. If they were to sacrifice some of their ideas and maybe shape them in a way to appeal to both them and their audience, EVERYONE is happy!
ReplyDeleteI thought the part where he talked about how Abraham Lincoln became president was very interesting. The idea that the main reason that Lincoln even ever became president was because his use of dubitatio is quite astounding, and when I think about why that worked, it just seems to make sense.
ReplyDeleteI like his quote "The best trick is to make it seem like you have no tricks"
ReplyDeleteHe attacks rhetoric at different angles and I just find it bliss.
I found the same line amusing it's like that shy girl who looks like she wouldn't hurt a fly but is the most devious person at all. That's why they say look out for the quiet ones..
DeleteSame I really liked that quote
DeleteI catch myself using these tactics already.. like the son wanting to borrow the Dad's car.. I personally liked the best trick of all which is to make it seem like you have no tricks. Oh dubious Abe, you had them all fooled.
ReplyDeleteI feel like I have definitely used dubitatio in my life, I just didn't know it had a name until now.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting to see author talk about actin reluctant in order to get what you want
ReplyDeleteThis chapter was mainly about making your audience believe in your selflessness as it said, but I think that is stupid to work so hard to prove that your full of virtue, street/book smart, and selflessness to your audience. You might just lose sight of who you really are becuase youre trying so hard to be something that your not.
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