Ethos seems like it means that you dont have to be you, you just have to be the person the audience wants you to be so you have to change character. Does this seem right?? Decorum is also very important with ethos as well.
It's like when your in an argument and you still want to stay on someones good side so you "conform" to them, so in a way sympathy. But then how do you win if you're some what giving in...?
I didn't really know what decorum was, but now that I understand it better, it's really an interesting thing. I love that he uses Eminem as an example of the use of decorum.
I didn't really understand this chapter with ethos and decorums..It was super confusing for me to understand the connection between the two or even if there is.
Decorum is kind of "Keeping up with the times and staying modern" which will win over an audience. Ethos is staying custom. There isn't much of a connection but it's there
It seems obvious that to argue with someone and win you have to sympathize with them. I mean your more likely to agree with someone with similar beliefs as you then with completely different beliefs. A vegans more likely to agree with another vegan about something than with someone who eats meat.
This comment was the idea I was thinking about as well. You have to relate to a person to agree with them. I could mention tons of examples of this, but i'm pretty sure that most people that read these comments will get the point of decorum.
I feel like his ethos and stuff doesn't exactly work with children, I feel like he wants to embarrass them and make them feel stupid but I did agree with the whole one of the best resources comes from your opponents mouth.
I feel like his ethos and stuff doesn't exactly work with children, I feel like he wants to embarrass them and make them feel stupid but I did agree with the whole one of the best resources comes from your opponents mouth.
So how many parts are there to Ethos? Is decorum conforming to good things,bad things, or both? I don't understand this quote, ("an ethos that fails to fit your actual personality is usually indecorous.")
So I think I get it now, what decorum means in layman's terms is to fit in. All of the different things the author talked about in the chapter at first confused me, but when it started becoming ingrained into my brain what decorum was, only then do I realize that its a lot simpler than I thought it was at first. The book still isn't done talking about ethos so i'm still trying to fit this into the deal with the child in the chapter before this, thought I think i'm grasping it now.
Decorum follows the audiences rules which the audience is a vital aspect of a battle of rhetoric. I liked his real world example of 8 mile. Clothing can play a vital roll in who you are and what your message is.
Being accepted and living up to standards is decorum right? That's what I got out of it any way. Another aspect to my living up to standards comment is being well behaved and having good manners. I liked the line "you cannot be indecorous and persuasive at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive." It's so true you can't argue with someone who won't even give you the time of day because you aren't agreeable to them.
Decorum is not just important in arguments, it is also useful in everyday life as well. The way you carry yourself is very important to how you are perceived by other people
After reading this chapter i can now say I understand ethos alot more. I also realized that how you present yourself can make an audience decide what they think of you. I dont think this is how it should be, but overall It's actually pretty true.
Ethos seems like it means that you dont have to be you, you just have to be the person the audience wants you to be so you have to change character. Does this seem right?? Decorum is also very important with ethos as well.
ReplyDeleteThat's kind of how I understood it, as well. The way he explained it with the woman doing the presentations was helpful in understanding that.
DeleteWell i didn't understand the way he explained it.
DeleteYeah it seems like you have to try to be more like the audience so they feel they can relate to you.
DeleteI feel like ethos is just this horrible way of doing things, isn't that basically a fake personality?
DeleteIt's like when your in an argument and you still want to stay on someones good side so you "conform" to them, so in a way sympathy. But then how do you win if you're some what giving in...?
DeleteLike other people have said, I guess people are more likely to agree with you if you fit into the group or clique that you are trying to agree with.
DeleteThat's what I understood too. If you become the person the audience wants who to be then they are more likely to listen to you.
DeleteI believe that it is simple manipulation honestly
DeleteIt's not even "be how the audience is" becuase I'm sure not all the audience is like that, I's just "be how the audience thinks you shoud be"
DeleteI didn't really know what decorum was, but now that I understand it better, it's really an interesting thing. I love that he uses Eminem as an example of the use of decorum.
ReplyDeleteI liked the Eminem example except it wasn't all clear to me.
DeleteYess he really cleared it up i thought with the examples..i love examples!:)
DeleteI think he cleared a lot up with ethos and decorum this chapter, and I love his examples.
DeleteLike you guys said these examples made everything so much easier and more fun to read.
DeleteAt first I was still a little confused, but I agree the examples do make it easier to follow.
DeleteI didn't really understand this chapter with ethos and decorums..It was super confusing for me to understand the connection between the two or even if there is.
ReplyDeleteYeah its a little confusing but think of ethos as people pleasers
DeleteI think decorum is part of Ethos.
DeleteDecorum is kind of "Keeping up with the times and staying modern" which will win over an audience. Ethos is staying custom. There isn't much of a connection but it's there
DeleteIt seems obvious that to argue with someone and win you have to sympathize with them. I mean your more likely to agree with someone with similar beliefs as you then with completely different beliefs. A vegans more likely to agree with another vegan about something than with someone who eats meat.
ReplyDeleteThis comment was the idea I was thinking about as well. You have to relate to a person to agree with them. I could mention tons of examples of this, but i'm pretty sure that most people that read these comments will get the point of decorum.
DeleteI feel like his ethos and stuff doesn't exactly work with children, I feel like he wants to embarrass them and make them feel stupid but I did agree with the whole one of the best resources comes from your opponents mouth.
ReplyDeleteThe best area of argument with the younger ones is making them feel stupid so they correct their mistake and stop feeling stupid. jafeel
DeleteI feel like his ethos and stuff doesn't exactly work with children, I feel like he wants to embarrass them and make them feel stupid but I did agree with the whole one of the best resources comes from your opponents mouth.
ReplyDeleteSo how many parts are there to Ethos? Is decorum conforming to good things,bad things, or both? I don't understand this quote, ("an ethos that fails to fit your actual personality is usually indecorous.")
ReplyDeleteSo I think I get it now, what decorum means in layman's terms is to fit in. All of the different things the author talked about in the chapter at first confused me, but when it started becoming ingrained into my brain what decorum was, only then do I realize that its a lot simpler than I thought it was at first. The book still isn't done talking about ethos so i'm still trying to fit this into the deal with the child in the chapter before this, thought I think i'm grasping it now.
ReplyDeleteDecorum follows the audiences rules which the audience is a vital aspect of a battle of rhetoric. I liked his real world example of 8 mile. Clothing can play a vital roll in who you are and what your message is.
ReplyDelete8 mile is life but it also can be sad how clothing can do that.
DeleteDecorum isn't just clothing its also your attitude and how you act.. BUt I feel ya
DeleteBeing accepted and living up to standards is decorum right? That's what I got out of it any way. Another aspect to my living up to standards comment is being well behaved and having good manners. I liked the line "you cannot be indecorous and persuasive at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive." It's so true you can't argue with someone who won't even give you the time of day because you aren't agreeable to them.
ReplyDeleteDecorum is not just important in arguments, it is also useful in everyday life as well. The way you carry yourself is very important to how you are perceived by other people
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this chapter i can now say I understand ethos alot more. I also realized that how you present yourself can make an audience decide what they think of you. I dont think this is how it should be, but overall It's actually pretty true.
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