This chapter was more understandable to me about the different techniques that you could use on people to get your way. I actually thought that this would be a really good idea to use to not only get your way but to also maybe even controlling someone.
I think it is a good tool, but as the writer says it isn't full proof to follow these rules. He is an expert at rhetoric and he can't even win against his children all the time.
This chapter really cleared up ethos for me. I thought all the examples were really helpful, and I finally understand the strategy used with ethos. I especially liked the Janet Jackson example.
This really explains ethos alot more, your virtues have to appeal to your audiences virtues. I thought the thing with switching your values when you know your gonna lose was interesting it just makes your virtue go up in your audiences eyes.
Yeah I thought the virtue and value thing was interesting. It's weird how people see virtues as weak but values as important even though they're similar.
I think that the changing virtues was very interesting along with values. I mean like wouldn't you want to keep your values the same since earlier he was talking about manipulating people into what you want??
I also thought changing your value was kinda of wierd. I thought you shouldnt change your values for the sake of others, but now i realize its effective.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense that persuasive ethos matters on how you relate with the people you are talking too but I mean cmon the whole.."a virtuous woman has to be self sacrificing" this isn't the 1940's but then again it relates to the whole matching your audience.
Yes, at first I didn't understand it, but since the author went so in depth on ethos, I can proudly say that it's probably an important thing to know when you are learning about rhetoric.
The virtue thing reminded me of that story about the man who stole medicine to save his wife and was it right or wrong, I have no idea why I thought about that.
This chapter really helped clear my understanding of Ethos. What I am getting is that it is the values, ideas, and beliefs that make up the character or the characteristics of someone. This might be helpful to know in an argument to kind of get the feel for their character and somewhat "relate" to them to help make your point .
The whole situation where letting somebody brag for you is better than bragging to yourself really made sense to me. I don't know why, but it helped me understand that the basis of ethos is to just make yourself look desirable to the audience. Of course, it's way more in-depth than that, but that would take forever to write, but From what I've read this far, I think I understand it.
Other people affect you more than you affect you because other peoples input is what drives you to keep going. He's using crowd persuasions other than just verbal to win over an audience and I like that.
So there are logos, pathos, and ethos.. Then under Ethos there's virtue practical wisdom, and selflessness. The Janet Jackson example really helped with the virtue part of this. I was reading the side notes and the one about being short really popped out at me and was easy to relate to.
Im now sure i have a better understanding about ethos. These chapters gave some good examples which helped me understand better. also the virtue and value topics caught my eye.
This chapter was more understandable to me about the different techniques that you could use on people to get your way. I actually thought that this would be a really good idea to use to not only get your way but to also maybe even controlling someone.
ReplyDeleteI think it is a good tool, but as the writer says it isn't full proof to follow these rules. He is an expert at rhetoric and he can't even win against his children all the time.
DeleteI agree with both of you, it could really go either wayy!
DeleteI feel like thee are some loose guidelines to go by, but that you have to make your own decisions based on the situation
DeleteThis chapter really cleared up ethos for me. I thought all the examples were really helpful, and I finally understand the strategy used with ethos. I especially liked the Janet Jackson example.
ReplyDeleteYes i thought the same thing, there were many more goodnexamples.
DeleteYes, I agree with both of you. This has helped me a lot to understand ethos better.
DeleteI agree, the examples he used in this chapter were pretty great!
DeleteWithout the examples I have no clue if i could understand what the chapter is about!
DeleteOnce again, the examples really helped me understand what ethos was.
DeleteEveryone really seemed to like the Janet Jackson example
DeleteThe Janet Jackson example really helped me as well! There were alot of good examples in this chapter that I would have been lost without!
DeleteThis really explains ethos alot more, your virtues have to appeal to your audiences virtues. I thought the thing with switching your values when you know your gonna lose was interesting it just makes your virtue go up in your audiences eyes.
ReplyDeleteYeah I thought the virtue and value thing was interesting. It's weird how people see virtues as weak but values as important even though they're similar.
DeleteI think that the changing virtues was very interesting along with values. I mean like wouldn't you want to keep your values the same since earlier he was talking about manipulating people into what you want??
DeleteI thought switching your values was kind of a weird concept, but it must be effective.
DeleteI also thought changing your value was kinda of wierd. I thought you shouldnt change your values for the sake of others, but now i realize its effective.
DeleteYeah it makes a lot of sense that persuasive ethos matters on how you relate with the people you are talking too but I mean cmon the whole.."a virtuous woman has to be self sacrificing" this isn't the 1940's but then again it relates to the whole matching your audience.
ReplyDeleteIt does make sense to relate with the other, it may help them sway to your side. Yea, that example was comical!
DeleteIt was good to learn more about ethos in this chapter. As was learning more about virtue and how it is involved.
ReplyDeleteYes, at first I didn't understand it, but since the author went so in depth on ethos, I can proudly say that it's probably an important thing to know when you are learning about rhetoric.
DeleteThe ethos stuff stumped me earlier in this book. This really cleared the air.
DeleteThe virtue thing reminded me of that story about the man who stole medicine to save his wife and was it right or wrong, I have no idea why I thought about that.
DeleteThis chapter really helped clear my understanding of Ethos. What I am getting is that it is the values, ideas, and beliefs that make up the character or the characteristics of someone. This might be helpful to know in an argument to kind of get the feel for their character and somewhat "relate" to them to help make your point .
ReplyDeleteI agree, this is helpful when you're trying to get to know someone knew.. Maybe now we can look for certain values and beliefs in someone else.
DeleteThis chapter also helped me understand better, and i agree that these topics would be good at gettign people to side with you.
DeleteThe whole situation where letting somebody brag for you is better than bragging to yourself really made sense to me. I don't know why, but it helped me understand that the basis of ethos is to just make yourself look desirable to the audience. Of course, it's way more in-depth than that, but that would take forever to write, but From what I've read this far, I think I understand it.
ReplyDeleteTHERE'S MUCH MORE TO RHETORIC THAT MEETS THE EYE AND WE'RE GONNA DIVE IN CLASS! :DDDDDD
DeleteOther people affect you more than you affect you because other peoples input is what drives you to keep going. He's using crowd persuasions other than just verbal to win over an audience and I like that.
ReplyDeleteSo there are logos, pathos, and ethos.. Then under Ethos there's virtue practical wisdom, and selflessness. The Janet Jackson example really helped with the virtue part of this. I was reading the side notes and the one about being short really popped out at me and was easy to relate to.
ReplyDeleteIt was a pretty funny example in my hoestn opinion
DeleteWas super helpful in helping understand exactly what ethos was.. I liked the LIncoln example used
ReplyDeleteIm now sure i have a better understanding about ethos. These chapters gave some good examples which helped me understand better. also the virtue and value topics caught my eye.
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