Wow this was a long chapter! It provided many great examples.and holy crap Shakespeare's vocabulary was 21,000!?! I guess that's not fair since he uses "desking" instead of sitting at a desk, how weird would that be if we verbed! Haha . I am so excited, we are finally allowed to use clichés! I have seen alot of these tools used in argument and I have to say they do work most times! My favorite was the " like" tool because everyone talks like that like all the time.
I thought this chapter was super interesting. The fact that we are able to use cliches made me think of Ms. Abel. I also use these tools and see these tools used in conversations.
The examples in this chapter were pretty cool, and especially seeing the little tidbit about Shakespeare's vocabulary vs. that of a typical college graduate was insane
I cannot stand the "like" examples, because you hear almost everyone use it and it is so annoying, like wouldn't you like totally agree? It reminds me of the rich white girls in movies.
I don't think you're supposed to use it like people in movies. I think the way you're supposed to use like involves saying it less than they do and not over exaggerating it.
I mean if people sit there and constantly used "like" examples then I can see how it can get annoying, but most people accidentally use "like" examples without even realizing it. Rich girls, i think, purpously over exagerate on the "like" examples to play the part of a rich girl.
OK, I guess clichés aren't that bad, but when they are used in moves,they can get pretty frustrating. Like I said before, sometimes clichés are like an old joke that was funny and witty the first time but now it's just annoying. My opinion though.
I think this chapter teaches a lot of clever tricks. I already use some of them. My favorite is taking a cliche literally. I also think if you use some of these techniques incorrectly you risk sounding like a smart alike, but if you learn when to use these techniques they could be very helpful.
I liked the translation part of this chapter. And the advise of defining the issue on the plainest possible terms. Why dance around the main point? What is the chase and where do I cut to it?
I'm gonna be twisting clichés in ways you didn't even think was possible now that I've read this. I also found that saying "like", or other words similar to it and using it for a different meaning other than what it was intended for is very interesting.
I thought the example of the girl in the bathing suit was super funny. I also really liked the fact that he brought chiasmus back up, because those are pretty cool little things. I liked that it was talking about wit and clichés again.
I really liked a lot of the tools in this chapter. I generally hate cliches down to my very core, and learning ways to undermine them was fun. I also like the edit out loud tool, because I think I do that a lot during conversations.
Right away in this chapter the first line caught my eye. Not being able to think of a clever comeback until its too late has happened to me before. Most of what i've read in ths chapter was already introuduced, but it cleared it up even better. Again they talked about code words, I thought it was interewsting how you can actually tell alot about a person by just listening to their figure of speech and the codewords it uses.
I am one of those people who over uses the "like" tool, who thinks of a comeback two hours later, and who tends to over use cliches. This chapter got me, I really didn't mind it I also found the Shakespeare piece very interesting.
Wow this was a long chapter! It provided many great examples.and holy crap Shakespeare's vocabulary was 21,000!?! I guess that's not fair since he uses "desking" instead of sitting at a desk, how weird would that be if we verbed! Haha . I am so excited, we are finally allowed to use clichés! I have seen alot of these tools used in argument and I have to say they do work most times! My favorite was the " like" tool because everyone talks like that like all the time.
ReplyDeleteI agree withre you, it was soooooo long and the shakespeare's vocabulary was interesting also!!
DeleteThe like tool was hilarious, I think everyone is guilty of this, sometimes people just can't help it!
DeleteI thought this chapter was super interesting. The fact that we are able to use cliches made me think of Ms. Abel. I also use these tools and see these tools used in conversations.
DeleteThe examples in this chapter were pretty cool, and especially seeing the little tidbit about Shakespeare's vocabulary vs. that of a typical college graduate was insane
DeleteI loved the Shakespeare part.
DeleteUsing "like" is very common and even accidentally used ALOT! it was funny how he used this in examples.
DeleteYou hear the 'like' tool being used so often these days.
DeleteI cannot stand the "like" examples, because you hear almost everyone use it and it is so annoying, like wouldn't you like totally agree? It reminds me of the rich white girls in movies.
ReplyDeleteyessss totally the rich white girls in movies, but you do use it too you just don't notice.
DeleteI don't think you're supposed to use it like people in movies. I think the way you're supposed to use like involves saying it less than they do and not over exaggerating it.
DeleteI mean I like because it's funny! I do know a lot of people who do it.
DeleteI think of that too but then I realize I do the same thing..
DeleteI mean if people sit there and constantly used "like" examples then I can see how it can get annoying, but most people accidentally use "like" examples without even realizing it. Rich girls, i think, purpously over exagerate on the "like" examples to play the part of a rich girl.
DeleteFinally someone says clichés are good! :) I understand you have to be witty about them to make them appear like a great rhetorician!
ReplyDeleteHaha that's exactly what I was thinking! Maybe Ms. Abel will let us use clichés alot!
DeleteOK, I guess clichés aren't that bad, but when they are used in moves,they can get pretty frustrating. Like I said before, sometimes clichés are like an old joke that was funny and witty the first time but now it's just annoying. My opinion though.
DeleteI think this chapter teaches a lot of clever tricks. I already use some of them. My favorite is taking a cliche literally. I also think if you use some of these techniques incorrectly you risk sounding like a smart alike, but if you learn when to use these techniques they could be very helpful.
ReplyDeleteI guess I never thought of the clever tricks!
Deletetaking clichés seriously honestly sounds like fun.
DeleteI use like so much and sometimes it drives me insane. But hey they say its a good thing so im not arguing.
ReplyDeleteIt's become such a common word with people that most people barely notice it.
DeleteI use it so much it's awful.
DeleteI liked the translation part of this chapter. And the advise of defining the issue on the plainest possible terms. Why dance around the main point? What is the chase and where do I cut to it?
ReplyDeleteI agree, it just makes things simpler.
DeleteI'm gonna be twisting clichés in ways you didn't even think was possible now that I've read this. I also found that saying "like", or other words similar to it and using it for a different meaning other than what it was intended for is very interesting.
ReplyDeleteI thought the example of the girl in the bathing suit was super funny. I also really liked the fact that he brought chiasmus back up, because those are pretty cool little things. I liked that it was talking about wit and clichés again.
ReplyDeleteI liked the parts about chiasmus, as well. The Kennedy example helped as a refresher on the device.
DeleteI really liked a lot of the tools in this chapter. I generally hate cliches down to my very core, and learning ways to undermine them was fun. I also like the edit out loud tool, because I think I do that a lot during conversations.
ReplyDeleteRight away in this chapter the first line caught my eye. Not being able to think of a clever comeback until its too late has happened to me before. Most of what i've read in ths chapter was already introuduced, but it cleared it up even better. Again they talked about code words, I thought it was interewsting how you can actually tell alot about a person by just listening to their figure of speech and the codewords it uses.
ReplyDeleteI am one of those people who over uses the "like" tool, who thinks of a comeback two hours later, and who tends to over use cliches. This chapter got me, I really didn't mind it I also found the Shakespeare piece very interesting.
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